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Character Timeline: Tony DiNozzo (NCIS)

There was a post today at ncisficfind (here) that mentioned information acquired by taylorgibbs from an actual NCIS agent. According to the information, to hold the positions they have at NCIS, Tony and Gibbs would need Master degrees. So, I decided to play with Tony's timeline and see if it would be possible for him to have time for a Masters degree program and what I found seems to make it fit perfectly...

1971, July – Date of Birth
1989, May – Graduated High School (Age 17)
1993, May – Graduated Ohio State (BS in Phys Ed) (Age 21)

1993-1998 – At least attending the Police Academy and worked for Peoria PD

1998, Spring – Joined Philly PD (Age 26)
1999, Fall – Joined Baltimore PD (Age 28)
2001, Fall – Joined NCIS (Age 30)

The above outline is based on information gathered from various episodes and then just counting back time. Below is an outline of content I went from:

In 01x06 High Seas, we learn the locations of Tony's previous jobs with various police departments:

GIBBS: Yeah, DiNozzo was a Baltimore cop before coming to us.
BURLEY: Is that right? How long?
TONY: Almost two years.
BURLEY: And before that?
TONY: Philly P.D.
KATE: Eighteen months, right?
TONY: There were extenuating circumstances.
KATE: And what was before Philly, I forgot. Pittsburgh?
TONY: Peoria.
KATE: Right.
TONY: And it doesn’t matter how long. All that matters now is that I’m here at NCIS.
KATE: Oh, and you’ve been here for um… refresh my memory…
TONY: Two years.


We do not learn how long he actually worked for Peoria PD, just that he did.

Other lengths to note is police academy training and FLETC.

Assuming Tony went to the Illinois State Police Academy since he started out in Peoria and assuming that training length is comparable to today's length for training then Tony had to have the following within the 1993-1998 time frame:

26 Weeks (6.5 Months) is the current length of training at the Illinois Police Academy. There is also a 14 week (3.5 months) transition before the officer is allowed to patrol alone.


NCIS Special Agents are required the following at FLETC:

CITP (Criminal Investigators Training Program) – 56 Days
SABTP (Special Agent Basic Training Program) – Unknown Length


Now, according to posts on LJ (Like This One), senior agents are required to have a Masters Degree.

So, could Tony have gotten a Masters Degree during that five-year period?

It is possible. Here's a hypothetical situation:

1993, May – Graduated Ohio State w/ BS in Phys Ed

Let's say that he also got a minor in criminology at this time.

1993, Fall – Began graduate program at Indian State University (I picked this because they have a Master's program in criminology and criminal justice)

From what I've seen, it can take 2-3 years to complete a Masters degree (longer depending on the subject).

Let's say Tony does his in 2.5 years. This would put him graduating in the summer/fall of 1995.

Then, if he went straight to the police academy, that would be half a year and put him graduating from the academy in the early part of 1996.

Then, going straight to Peoria from there means:

1996, Spring – Joined Peoria PD
1998, Spring – Joined Philly PD

That would equal two (2) years at Peoria and put him right on his two year path…


Working with this hypothetical scenario, here's the full timeline:

1971, July – Date of Birth
1989, May – Graduated High School (Age 17)
1993, May – Graduated Ohio State (BS in Phys Ed) (Age 21)
1995, Summer/Fall – Graduated Somewhere with a Masters Degree (assume Criminology) (Age 24)
1996, Late Winter/Spring – Graduated Illinois State Police Academy (Age 24)
1996, Spring – Joined Peoria PD (Age 24)
1998, Spring – Joined Philly PD (Age 26)
1999, Fall – Joined Baltimore PD (Age 28)
2001, Fall – Joined NCIS (Age 30)

Read the comments below for other great ideas/input on the Masters degree and what could have been going on during that 1993-1998 time period. :-)

ETA: Some looking into the full length of the other course at FLETC that I couldn't find a time length for and part of the application process at / security checks, might bump my timeline just a bit... maybe around 6 months. If so that would make the 2.5 year period more like a 2-year period between college and the police academy.


Crossposted: tonydinozzo; navy_ncis; ncis

Comments

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murgy31
Jul. 25th, 2009 03:42 am (UTC)
Wow! I love this! Looks good to me...
kaylashay
Jul. 25th, 2009 03:45 am (UTC)
Thanks... I think that Masters degree fits it perfectly. There was a time gap and unless he was at Peoria longer than 2-years, I couldn't find anything to fill it with. Although that time could be fun to play with in a fic.

:-)
avamclean
Jul. 25th, 2009 03:42 am (UTC)
It's scary and awesome how much effort you put into this. *nods* You rock!
kaylashay
Jul. 25th, 2009 03:44 am (UTC)
What's scary is, I didn't put half of what I found in this... I found an NCIS "Mini-Manual" on the FLETC website that has a ton of info about procedures. :-)

I saved the PDF on my 'puter. :-)
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tucker_liz
Jul. 25th, 2009 03:57 am (UTC)
I do love this. And when I get home from work, I'm printing it out for future use. Feel like doing Gibbs as well?
kaylashay
Jul. 25th, 2009 03:59 am (UTC)
Gibbs boggles my mind. I think it's 1991 that scares me in regards to him.

Tony's so much more cut and dry. :-)
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donutsweeper
Jul. 25th, 2009 03:59 am (UTC)
He didn't need to have the Masters to work in Peoria, it's possible he earned it by going to night school.

Honestly, I doubt the show even considered Tony needing education of any sort. Especially the way Tim is dismissive of him in the episode where Tony explains about his degree in Phy Ed from Sub Rosa:

TONY: You’ve taken computer classes.
MCGEE: Masters in computer forensics, MIT.
TONY: I see.
MCGEE: Well, he’s definitely an eco-terrorist. He’s looking for retribution for the whales. (SFX: RAPID BEEP TONES) Oh, this isn’t good.
TONY: What?
MCGEE: Isopropyl methylphosphonofluoridate. (BEAT) B.S. in Bio-medical Engineering, Johns Hopkins. You?
TONY: Ohio State, Phys Ed. I was a jock. What is that in my language?
kaylashay
Jul. 25th, 2009 04:08 am (UTC)
Oh yeah... Tim is so dismissive of him in regards to degrees and what he has.

I know he didn't need it for Peoria and I figured night classes would be likely too. But, when I started doing the timeline and there's this five year period for him from 1993-1998 that had to include the police academy and his time in Peoria. But if you use all that time for that, then he worked at Peoria longer than 2 years. Although they never said how long he was actually at Peoria, it was kind of implied that he was there for the same 2-year time frame as the other PDs he worked at. That left me with 2.5 years of downtime for Tony...

And idle Tony is the devil's playground... ;-)
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tejas
Jul. 25th, 2009 04:11 am (UTC)
That makes a lot of sense. Especially considering his injury in the fall of his senior year in college. If it was severe enough to ruin his chances at a pro career, it might have required a good deal of PT after the fact to get him back to an appropriate fitness level before he could start at the academy. Also, if he had student loans, continuing his education would mean delaying when he had to start paying them off.

On the other hand, there's no telling if he did his Master's right off or did it later. You can get a Master's degree part time. It's only 30 to 36 hours (generally speaking, a few degrees/institutions require a few more hours). Some even have a non-thesis option if the Master's is to be considered a terminal degree. Those usually mean a couple of additional classes. It's actually conceivable that he didn't start it until he got to NCIS (where Gibbs might have been the one to insist on it once he decided Tony was a keeper ;-). He might have even taken it via distance education from someplace like the Naval War College (which would be very cool for so many reasons ;-).

Edited at 2009-07-25 04:11 am (UTC)
kaylashay
Jul. 25th, 2009 04:15 am (UTC)
Oooo... I didn't think to factor in the injury. That would be interesting to loop into that 2.5 year period working on him being with Peoria two years like the other locations.

There's so many ways to play with how he could get a Masters degree. But I do like the idea of him using his recovering time to do another degree to fill the time while he's down for the count and to put off the student loan deal...

Lots to ponder. :-)
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lil_jei
Jul. 25th, 2009 04:12 am (UTC)
Good job Kayla! Looks concise and helpful :)
kaylashay
Jul. 25th, 2009 04:17 am (UTC)
Thanks. :-)
sasha1600
Jul. 25th, 2009 04:43 am (UTC)
Very cool! Thanks for doing the math for us! In most fields, though, a master's is either one or two years, if you're doing it full-time. And most programmes won't let you in if you only have a minor in the field - he'd need at least a double major... or, if you need to fill in extra time before Peoria, he could take additional credits after his bachelor's degree to upgrade the minor to meet the requirements for grad school. The injury would be a good motivation for him to do something like that.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around Gibbs getting a master's - no question that he has the ability or anything, but he'd be a nightmare to have as a student! *shudders*
kaylashay
Jul. 25th, 2009 04:54 am (UTC)
Yeah... I was thinking about that. I really do like to think that he has more than just that Phys Ed bachelor degree and just doesn't talk about it.

The idea of him upping a minor (for example) to a bachelor's degree during that time period is nice. Then he could have done the Masters through night school later one. :-)

And Gibbs... I don't even want to go there. He probably just glared them into signed the degree over to him. ;-)
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(Anonymous)
Jul. 25th, 2009 04:43 am (UTC)
how did Gibb recruit him?
this is the story that hasn't been told. The other agents came in after the series started, but Tony, we know, had already been there 2 years.

How intriguing! how did Gibbs recruit this young egotistical "hot dog?" had to be on a case involving joint jurisdiction. what did he see in Tony that made him say "be a part of my team?" a story that I'd love to hear
tejas
Jul. 25th, 2009 04:56 am (UTC)
Re: how did Gibb recruit him?
And one thing that even the best "how Tony came to NCIS" fics miss is that he would still have had to go through all the necessary training. They fudged it with Kate, though it's possible she went through all if already with the Secret Service.
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tejas
Jul. 25th, 2009 04:58 am (UTC)
Oh! Somewhere I read that the various training courses required for NCIS take roughly six months. Or rather, that's the time frame I came away with. I can't remember *where* I found it, though. I think it was on the official NCIS site. Somewhere. :-)
kaylashay
Jul. 25th, 2009 05:00 am (UTC)
I've got them listed in the post up above.

There's two definite ones at FLETC. One is 56 days and the other one I couldn't find a time frame on yet.
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tejas
Jul. 25th, 2009 05:11 am (UTC)
From the NCIS official site faq:
(The real one, not the show. :-)

How long does the special agent application process take?
The hiring process can take six to nine months.

Are special agents required to attend formalized training?
Yes. All new hires who are not currently GS/GL-1811 special agents must attend the Criminal Investigators Training Program (CITP) at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC), Glynco, GA. The NCIS specific Special Agent Basic Training Program (SABTP) will immediately follow the CITP training in Glynco. All special agents newly appointed to NCIS are required to attend the SABTP. The training provides instruction on the NCIS report writing system, manuals, and field training exercises. Additional training in computer forensics, foreign counterintelligence, foreign language, economic crimes, interview and interrogation, hostage negotiation, forensics and/or management are available throughout the Agent's career.

(Still looking for the length of SABTP.)

Oh, and here's a bit about how Tony can afford to indulge his expensive tastes:

Are NCIS special agents entitled to the Law Enforcement Availability Pay (LEAP)?
Yes. NCIS special agents are eligible for LEAP, which is a type of premium pay for criminal investigators who are required to work, or be available to work substantial amounts of unscheduled overtime based on the needs of the agency. Availability pay is fixed at 25% of a special agent's rate of basic pay.

kaylashay
Jul. 25th, 2009 05:13 am (UTC)
It's the SABTP I couldn't find a timeline for on FLETCs site... it annoyed me. I only found a PDF file of the NCIS Mini-Manual searching for it on FLETC.

And yeah... that would help his expenses. :-)
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serendipity_15
Jul. 25th, 2009 05:55 am (UTC)
This great! Thanks for taking the time to write this out. Well, this certainly would explain the unaccounted amount of time I came up with when I was trying to figure out Tony's time line running on the assumption that he was only in Peoria for his requisite two years. I am totally going to save this for future reference.
kaylashay
Jul. 25th, 2009 05:58 am (UTC)
:-)

There's definitely a time gap of at least 2 years there if you do Peoria at 2 years. So there's quite a bit of idea floating around as to what he could have done for those 2 years now.

:-)
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chatona
Jul. 25th, 2009 10:22 am (UTC)
Oh, that is really really awesome and helpful! *bounces*
kaylashay
Jul. 25th, 2009 03:36 pm (UTC)
Yay for bounces! I need to do a round up of all the speculation in the comments up above about various routes Tony's life could have taken during that 2 or so years gap I found.
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haltlos
Jul. 25th, 2009 03:47 pm (UTC)
This is made of win! :)

It's funny how much logic is missing tv shows most of the time. *g*
kaylashay
Jul. 25th, 2009 05:14 pm (UTC)
It is, it is... and thanks! :-)
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rigil_kent
Jul. 26th, 2009 01:52 am (UTC)
Huh. You've clearly put more thought and research into this than the showrunners... well done.
begiled
Aug. 15th, 2009 05:54 am (UTC)
This is late, I know...
But which episode references that it was Gibbs who brought Tony into the agency? I checked the character's Wikipedia entry, and while very thorough on providing information as per the series, nothing is mentioned about how/why he joined the agency.

(I've always assumed his "I smiled" was a sarcastic nod to Kate's assumptions about his image/abilities, i.e., he had to have charmed his way in, because how else would an obvious goof like Tony be able to quality for such a super secret elite job? Like many, I really doubt Kate's judgment of her profiling abilities.)

Anyway, out of curiosity, I would like to know the canon reference.

Thanks.

:-D
kaylashay
Aug. 15th, 2009 06:02 am (UTC)
Re: This is late, I know...
The only reference I know for sure was in 01x05 The Curse:

TONY: A three hundred and seventy gallon external fuel tank off an F-Fourteen Tomcat. A few were converted into camera or cargo pods. This one’s a cargo pod.
KATE: I’m impressed.
TONY: I didn’t become an NCIS agent yesterday, Kate. As a matter of fact, tomorrow is…
GIBBS: …. it’ll have been two years.
TONY: That’s kind of touching, Gibbs, remembering the day you hired me.
GIBBS: Yeah, well it seemed like a good idea at the time. Duck is it okay if I touch?

What that doesn't tell us is if Gibbs 'recruited' him to NCIS kind of like he did with Kate or if Tony was a new agent fresh from FLETC and Gibbs just picked him out of a bunch.

Beyond that and the "I smiled," comment to Kate there's only one other time he says why he joined NCIS and that was in this past season while he talked with the new probie about to go to FLETC. And I don't have the ep or a script to copy from but it was something along the lines of joining for the women and the guns.

It's likely one those things we will never know for sure and will always be fodder for fanfic. :-)
mamamia1964
Aug. 27th, 2009 05:54 am (UTC)
tony's time in peoria
Hi guys,

I was reading this timeline which is really great, very interesting. Although I'm not sure whether Tony would be required to have a masters in criminal science, I can totally see him pursuing an MBA after breaking his leg and seeing his football career going downhill. He may even have worked for his dad while going through rehab and attending a very prestigious university for a masters degree.

If he received a masters while working in Peoria, then he could very well have attended Bradley University or Illinois State University for a masters degree. Neither one offers a masters in criminal science.

I think it would be unlikely for Tony to go to a police academy after earning a masters in criminal science. Maybe I'm wrong, but most people attending would probably have an associates or perhaps no degree, especially at that time. If you look on the Peoria PD website, they have a minimum age requirement and need for an associates.

What if Tony worked in Peoria for several years, but transferred to Philly to attend a university there for his masters?

I'm originally from the Peoria area, so if you are inclined to write any fics (please!!!!), be sure to mention how bad it smells thanks to the hops smell and the weekend traffic jams on Main Street thanks to the teenagers getting their thrills cruising.

I hope this helps or inspires a few of you. Thank you all for the wonderful fanfiction that I've enjoyed over the last few months!!
singer_s_lament
Sep. 27th, 2009 03:41 am (UTC)
This is great Kayla. I would like to use your basic timeline for an AU that I am working on. I noticed a a differnece between Tony's birthdate also. On his ID when he went to Iraq it said July 19th, 1968. I am working on a fic that goes into that.

I searched the USA Jobs website and FAQ at the NCIS website and found a few interesting things such as the educational requirement is MANDATORY, team Gibbs would be entitled to LEAP (which is 25% added to their base salary and locality pay. To receive LEAP an NCIS Special Agent must work an annual average of two or more hours unscheduled duty per scheduled workday. This work may include evening or weekends.), and an exhaustive background check.

http://www.ncis.navy.mil/join/becoming.asp

http://www.usajobs.org/jobs/77154543/Criminal%20Investigator%20YK-1811-1%202.htm

captain_tibbs
Oct. 11th, 2009 07:14 pm (UTC)
Wow!
Thank you so much Kayla for all the extensive research you've done on this - it's such a great bonus to any fanfic writer to help them puzzle out backstories and so forth.
So I really just wanted to let you know how much I, and I'm sure many others, appreciated the efforts you've gone to.
kat_sor
Sep. 8th, 2010 12:33 am (UTC)
Yay!
I have been looking for a time line for Tony's education for AGES. Thank you so much :)
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