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FYI NCIS Writers

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From the NCIS FAQ on becoming a Special Agent:

Is U.S. citizenship a requirement for the special agent position?
Yes. Applicants must possess a US-born or naturalized citizenship. Permanent residents are not eligible to apply for a special agent position.

http://www.ncis.navy.mil/join/becoming.asp

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wit_worry_what
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:15 am (UTC)
NOOOOOOO!!!!
w.w.w.
donutsweeper
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:20 am (UTC)
But.. she's SUPERNINJA!ZIVA!!

Oh, god. Terrible thought- what if she needs to be married to get her citizenship?
kaylashay
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:21 am (UTC)
Oh, god. Terrible thought- what if she needs to be married to get her citizenship?

Blasphemy. Or let McGee do it. He'd be more convincing to the people who investigate those types of marriages.
donutsweeper
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:23 am (UTC)
*phew* that might work
kaylashay
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:22 am (UTC)
Or Jimmy... Or if that gay marriage bill for DC passes that I just read about, let Abby do it.
donutsweeper
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:23 am (UTC)
siccing her on Jimmy seems almost cruel. Abby could make her toe the line
kaylashay
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:25 am (UTC)
So gay marriage in DC passes and Abby whips Ziva into shape... That could work... *nods*

*headdesk*
donutsweeper
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:26 am (UTC)
Abby whips Ziva into shape...

Too bad I don't write femslash, the D/s potential would be amazing
kaylashay
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:29 am (UTC)
I know. Maybe I should talk to one of my friends about *that* story line... ;-)
tejas
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:31 am (UTC)
Oh, but remember, because of DOMA, the federal government doesn't recognize SS marriage.
kaylashay
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:34 am (UTC)
Guess we'll go back to McGee or Jimmy and years... poor McGee/Jimmy. Maybe McGee and Jimmy marry just to avoid having Ziva sicced on them.

Then Gibbs grabs Tony to save him from the stupid.

Abby goes for Ducky because didn't she say she liked older guys once...

And poor 'ittle ninja!Ziva is left running home to father never to be heard from again. The End.
tejas
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:37 am (UTC)
Works for me. :-)
donutsweeper
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:31 am (UTC)
Oh yes. I'd actually read femslash for that!
tejas
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:28 am (UTC)
It still takes years.
donutsweeper
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:30 am (UTC)
In the world of all things sane and logical. This is NCIS though
tejas
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:34 am (UTC)
DNA tests taking hours is a television convention I can handle. Walking all over the citizenship process, though... no way.
donutsweeper
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:35 am (UTC)
Here's hoping they at least make MENTION of it on the show!
kaylashay
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:37 am (UTC)
They're probably scared too if anyone had enough sense to think about it. Now they're like, "If we don't say anything, the viewers won't know the difference..."

Yeah. Right.
donutsweeper
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:39 am (UTC)
Ah, assuming the ignorance/stupidity of your viewers... always a good way to go
tejas
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:37 am (UTC)
Certainly hope so.
kaylashay
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:36 am (UTC)
That's how I feel too... Citizenship should not be overlooked for dramatic license or whatever they want to call it. Never.
tejas
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:22 am (UTC)
I guess Ziva really *is* just abysmally stupid.
kaylashay
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:24 am (UTC)
I wonder what she thought when she checked no on the US Citizen box? People who submit resumes to our company for a position working on an army base don't even get to the submission part if they click no on that one...
tejas
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:27 am (UTC)
I *know*! How stupid are these people.

I don't know. This might be it for me. I'm not sure I can tolerate this if they're also sucking Gibbs into the stupid zone. He should have never taken the paper from her. He should have asked, "Are you an American citizen?" When she answered "No", he should have replied, "I thought you were enough of an investigator to have looked up that information BEFORE YOU BOTHERED ME WITH THIS! I can see I was wrong. Have a good flight back to Israel."
kaylashay
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:30 am (UTC)
"Are you an American citizen?" When she answered "No", he should have replied, "I thought you were enough of an investigator to have looked up that information BEFORE YOU BOTHERED ME WITH THIS! I can see I was wrong. Have a good flight back to Israel."

The way it should have been... And Tony walking up in the background, "Even I knew that Zeee-vah."
tejas
Oct. 7th, 2009 02:33 am (UTC)
LOL!! YES!

But I could just hear Gibbs starting at his most reasonable tone and ending up in a desk-thumping angry yell, only to drop back down to reasonable as he told her not to let the door whack her in the ass on the way out.
sasha1600
Oct. 7th, 2009 05:02 am (UTC)
*squeezes eyes shut and wishes really hard*
tejas
Oct. 7th, 2009 05:05 am (UTC)
Yeah. If only.
sasha1600
Oct. 7th, 2009 05:08 am (UTC)
She was thinking 'I'm a special, sparkly snowflake and that doesn't apply to *me*...'
tejas
Oct. 7th, 2009 05:10 am (UTC)
Sounds about right.
strangevisitor7
Oct. 7th, 2009 03:13 am (UTC)
That was my first thought - that she couldn't be one without some form of citizenship. Hope they figure out a way around that. Maybe she and tony have a fake marriage to get her a green card LOL
tejas
Oct. 7th, 2009 03:15 am (UTC)
Having a green card doesn't cut it. That's just the first step. It still takes years even with a marriage.
strangevisitor7
Oct. 7th, 2009 03:18 am (UTC)
I didn't know it took years for a green card. I do think that look Gibbs was giving her at the end was a bit - You don't really expect me to sign this...

I hope the writers don't think we are stupid enough not to notice her non citizenship status

tejas
Oct. 7th, 2009 03:21 am (UTC)
Having a green card doesn't make you a citizen. It just means you can hold some jobs (most ordinary jobs that don't require a security clearance) and that you're now considered a permanent resident. To be an NCIS agent, you have to be an actual citizen.
strangevisitor7
Oct. 7th, 2009 03:35 am (UTC)
OTOH they may pull out that she was actually born in the US or maybe her mom was an American. That's the only way I can see to get around the citizenship issue.
tejas
Oct. 7th, 2009 03:47 am (UTC)
No way would Ziva have *ever* been able to keep that quiet.
sasha1600
Oct. 7th, 2009 05:06 am (UTC)
Maybe she didn't know? She gets an email from her father telling her she's actually adopted and she was born in the US? She finds out she was switched at birth in a bizarre hospital mix-up and her real parents are American?

Or they explain it as one of the many, many things that she hasn't been telling Gibbs because it was part of her super-secret Mossad mission?

I think I could accept something like that more than them just pretending the problem doesn't exist - merely annoying, rather than actually insulting the viewers' intelligence.
tejas
Oct. 7th, 2009 05:07 am (UTC)
Both are insulting to the viewer's intelligence, but SB doesn't seem to think the audience has much of a brain anyway.
xanthe
Oct. 7th, 2009 07:21 am (UTC)
Well it's *Ziva*, so I'm sure they can waive that requirement. The rules don't reply to super!ninja!princesses after all. One law for her, one for everyone else.

I thought it was quite a blah episode. I didn't understand half of it - when did NCIS eps require THIS much explanatory exposition at the end? Did they start hiring JK Rowling to write them? Last week's was convoluted, and so was this week's. And both required the characters to explain the plot to us because it was too complicated to follow as we went along.

Tony looked like he was veering back towards idiot territory too although not as bad as S6.
tejas
Oct. 7th, 2009 07:26 am (UTC)
I think it was less that it was complicated than it was uninteresting and they didn't spend *nearly* as much time on the actual case as they should have. And just *why* was DC Metro investigating? Shouldn't that have fallen under the purview of the FBI?
xanthe
Oct. 7th, 2009 07:34 am (UTC)
I found it both complicated *and* uninteresting. I was actually a bit bored. Sometimes I thank god they have MW in the cast because otherwise the show would be very dull indeed. But then it's like he knows he's in a dull ep and tries too hard and that's when Tony becomes silly.

I long for plots like "High Seas" and "Mind Games". Interesting AND easy to follow. I like twists and turns, but not ones the characters have to explain to me at the end.

Did we ever find out why Gibbs had the baseball bat at the beginning? I like to think it was to threaten his agents with when they start being annoying *g*.


tejas
Oct. 7th, 2009 07:47 am (UTC)
:-) Nope, they never did mention it again.

The thing about complex plots is you've got to focus on them and keep the viewer engaged. This one wasn't all that complex. It was just *very* contrived and clumsy and mostly ignored. I really didn't get the feeling the actors gave a shit about the episode. The writers certainly didn't. Even the direction was uninspired. It just plodded from one set of talking heads to another. The thing in the impound lot was... not nearly as good as it should have been.

The writers need to be locked in a room with S1, S2 and S3 dvds and forced to watch them all, back to back, before they're allowed to write another episode.

Edited at 2009-10-07 07:47 am (UTC)
xanthe
Oct. 7th, 2009 07:58 am (UTC)
I know I've said it before but it feels like a different show to S1 - 3. And honestly that fandom glow has gone. I just sit there and watch but it's hard to be engaged by it.

You're right about the writing and direction. It all felt like "Plot - blah blah blah". "Zany Abby - blah". "Ziva angst - blah blah blah". "Silly Tony - blah blah". "DOGS! Blah!". "Worried polygraph Tim blah". "Gibbs pissing contest scene 101 blah" "Plot again! Lots of it. Tony and Tim can explain it to the audience. Blah." The End (Blah).

tejas
Oct. 7th, 2009 08:06 am (UTC)
Pretty much. The pacing sucked, there was no tension, no climax, no action. Even the dogs didn't seem to be all that vicious. I was never worried that one of them might get bitten.
kateri_e
Oct. 8th, 2009 06:43 pm (UTC)
Well we all know that they already make exceptions for Ziva because I really don't see the REAL NCIS letting a Mossad officer investigate crimes and participate in top secret planning of ops and just all around be privy to state secrets like Ziva was for four years.

Now having said that and been all reasonable.......
Ziva threatened to show the guy at Immigration what she can do with a paperclip ;-)
mjmcca
Oct. 10th, 2009 04:40 am (UTC)
I knew this. Hubby seriously considered going into the FBI post 9/11 since they were looking fot Arab Language speakers. Not only did he have to be a citizen but he had to give up his dual citizenship to his birth country. So, he decided not to pursue that career path. The requirements for federal agent (FBI, ATF, NCIS...ect) are pretty standard in this. It is one of the reasons I had such a difficult time with Ziva being on the team period. You MIGHT ( and thats a really big might) get an officer of a foreign agency temporarily assigned to a US one for training purposes or in instance of a joint investigation... but permanently assigned??? Uh...no.
kaylashay
Oct. 10th, 2009 01:43 pm (UTC)
Yup. I've always overlooked it before under dramatic license, because they never said she was an agent, just the liaison from Mossad. But now... if they make her a full agent... that's just not right.

We deal with government contracts to military bases through work and one of the contracts is for vehicle registration and we can't get anyone without US citizenship for even that... Ziva never even would have made it to submitting her resume with us, because once they check 'no' on that box on the pre-questionnaire, they get no further.
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