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NCIS 200 Speculation and Other Spoilers...

This will be behind the cut for Season 9 spoilers of NCIS. You have been warned.

So, I during season 8 of NCIS I had kind of stopped watching. I can't say I've seen every episode anymore. I missed a few from 7 I think and many in season 8. But I started watching season 9 and it was doing so well. It was making a comeback. The anvils were more like small rocks and there was more team-ness to be add.

And the whole interactions between Tony and Gibbs since the Baltimore episode have been excellent. Showing that these two men have known each other for so many years and that they can actually talk (or not talk) with each other. This is the kind of on-screen relationship I love seeing, because it's so natural.

Then comes the last two episodes which have completely derailed the good vibe of the season. I don't like on-screen romantic relationships with main characters. ANY main character. Side character relationships are just fine (even if I don't alway agree with them). I was okay with Jeanne (although not the story plot as much). I was okay with Mann. I love Jimmy's thing. I was even okay with EJ, even if I missed several eps with her. I was okay with all these because they weren't main characters and I knew they wouldn't be staying.

Then comes the Tony and Ziva anvil. Why, show why? I loved the way Tony and Kate were back in the day. They foiled each other perfectly. But Tony and Ziva don't have that. There's always been more of the sex angle from them, but I always saw it coming more from Ziva's side than Tony's. However, they are not each other's type. At all.

I didn't know much of CIRay beyond this last episode, but he was good for Ziva and then the show went an ruined him. Not to mention, Ziva should be calling herself a hypocrite for all the stuff she's likely done compared to Ray's one screw up. Yeah it was a bad screw up, but still.

And any chance I could have ever had of somewhat understanding a Tony and Ziva relationship died when she pulled a gun on him after flinging his injured self to ground. Yeah, that's not the stuff good relationships are built on.

All said, I have this feeling about the upcoming 200th episode that's said to be the alternate look at what could have been. I have this very strange feeling that they will show a Tony/Ziva on-screen relationship in this AU and the thought of seeing it on screen, even AU-ish, does not make me happy.

Plus, will the character seeing this (Gibbs likely) respond in the real world about what he saw in the AU.

I really hope they don't do Tiva thing in the AU glimpse, but I'm so worried they will. Here I was doing so good actually looking forward to NCIS episodes again and now I'm back to cringing in fear of what size the next anvil will be.



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Jan. 14th, 2012 03:07 am (UTC)
The Tiva anvils have been a bit... obnoxious? Obvious? All of the above? If two main characters have to get together, then why not McGee and Abby? They st least make more sense.
Jan. 14th, 2012 03:18 am (UTC)
Of the main characters, they are about the only ones that I would probably be somewhat okay with seeing on screen...

And for all that I love Gibbs/Tony in fic, I wouldn't even want to see that on screen if it was an acceptable thing.

Or Tony/Abby for that matter either.
Jan. 14th, 2012 03:45 am (UTC)
I know a lot of people have been very excited for the 200th episode and it's "what if" theme... and, while I'm excited that the show reached 200 episodes, I'm quite wary due to everything I've heard.

We just HAD To get some stupid Tony/Ziva spoilery-type thing for this episode, like everyone only watches for that. For all that we've seen MW, Rocky Carroll, AND MH say they'd never want to see Tiva on-screen, we sure do seem to be getting a whole lot of clumsily handled anvils recently.

And, I"m with you, any inkling I *could* have had about being able to go with that relationship as viable died in "Aliyah," and I can't understand why they keep pursuing it. I was enjoying the "back to the team" feel the show was employing since mid-season 8, I was thoroughly enjoying the return to a sympatico Gibbs/Tony relationship that had been missing for so long, I was enjoying a more even-tempered sibling relationship between Tony and Tim, too... I was even actually not minding Ziva all that much... until (for me) the gas station scene in "Newborn King," which was so stupidly over-the-top and followed by "Housekeeping" and "A Desperate Man."

Ray could have been a great character, and I'm actually really disappointed the show went with such a cheap cop-out to end that arc.

I was enjoying where GG seemed to be going with the show, but recently, it seems he's been drinking the TIVA koolaid... and I've lost all faith in where he's going now.

But, now I'm, blathering.
Jan. 14th, 2012 03:55 am (UTC)
I'm right there with you. *sad sigh*</p>

Jan. 14th, 2012 04:07 am (UTC)
I agree completely. Ray *could* have been a good character. And this was SUCH a cop-out to get rid of him. Seriously, he cleans and moves the body but doesn't deface/whatever her to keep her from instantly being recognized as Navy? He'd had to have known that meant Ziva and her team would be on the case and that they would be much more likely to solve it than random detectives would.

the 200th, btw, sounds like a DISASTER to me. I am sick to death of Shannon and Kelly and AUs are so rarely done well. *sigh*
Jan. 23rd, 2012 03:09 am (UTC)
I'm okay with Shannon and Kelly info, but I don't like how they keep dragging Gibbs' killing of the man that killed them back out to poke at Gibbs.

And Ray could have been so good... but they ruined him.
Jan. 14th, 2012 04:17 am (UTC)
As my dad pointed out, Tony and Ziva work better s good friends ...

While I'm intrigued by the 'What if' premise ... I'm not going to be a happy camper if they try to pour Tiva down our throats ...
Jan. 23rd, 2012 03:10 am (UTC)
I actually like them interacting when they give off the friend vibe. But not the anvil dropping vibes. *shudders*
Jan. 14th, 2012 01:35 pm (UTC)
Let's see if LJ lets me post a comment now... *shakes fist*

I'm with you on most accounts. I've loved season 9 until Housekeeping. (Didn't care for Thirst, but I'm not a huge Ducky fan, so...*shrugs*) The horrible Tiva anvils in the last two eps were cringe-worthy and completely not what GG stands for. I have no clue what's wrong there. I am, however, looking forward to seeing Wendy (though her casting left me...baffled...) so there's still hope.

I personally never thought we'd see actual Tiva in the 200th ep, but I see where you're coming from. Thing is, however, if they do go down that route and Tony meets Mossad!Ziva during an undercover op or whatever else and they have hot steamy sex, then this is firmly AU and means that it clearly won't happen in "real life"...which really is good for us anti-Tivas. Because that way, TPTB would confirm that their OTP can only happen in an alternate universe. How much more of a slap down could you ask for? The Tivas get their Tiva, the anti-Tivas get their confirmation that only the "what if?" scenario made it possible (aka, it's not gonna happen in reality). If we do have to go through Tiva, I'd much rather have it as part of an AU during ep 200 and be done with it instead of continued anvils dropped on my head, tbh.
Jan. 23rd, 2012 03:14 am (UTC)
If I thought they would end the TIVA anvils with an AU pairing on screen, I might be okay with it. But I fear it won't end because the person having the AU dream (Gibbs) is going to have something different off of that dream. And they'll have to show the real thing that isn't happening the way the AU thing went... I just feel a recipe for disaster I guess.

And like I said elsewhere, I just don't want to see on screen relationship stuff period. Don't want to see Abby/McGee on screen either.

Who knows, maybe they'll blow everyone's mind and have Kate on there and do some Kibbs! *ducks* Orrrrrrr.... since Ari will be around, about some of those Ari kidnapping Tony fics ;)
Jan. 14th, 2012 01:42 pm (UTC)
Yeah. Sigh. I stopped watching when I heard what happened in Housekeeping. I'm just tired of the show jerking us around - making us think it's safe and then dropping a giant anvil on our heads! I feel like I've learned my lesson now!

I want to watch the 200th because I loved this show long before Tiva/Ziva reigned supreme, and I'm really hoping Sasha will be in it, but if there's any Tiva content I won't bother. And really I don't think I'll bother anymore generally because honestly the show doesn't really do it for me now :-(. It's come such a long way from what I loved about it that I can barely even see glimpses now! And I'm worn out from all its crappy moves over the past 3 seasons :-( :-(:-(.
Jan. 14th, 2012 04:28 pm (UTC)
Sasha's dead, last I heard..You really ARE desparate. One of those glimpses into the past?
Is that what you want?
Oy, this show is killing me. You're the one who hooked me, now get me outa here. It's
dreadful.. If there are any nuanaces, they are escaping me.
Have a good weekend..
Love Selma
Jan. 14th, 2012 04:31 pm (UTC)
Well no, Kate is dead - Sasha's alive and well and working on Rizzoli and Isles! And the spoilers suggest the 200th is an AU where Kate might still be alive but it's not for sure - I'm just hopeful.

I give you my total permission to stop watching! I have! You're not alone in how you're feeling.

And besides, I HAVE pimped Suits to you so you've got THAT to watch instead - it's giving us far more now than NCIS is!
Jan. 23rd, 2012 03:18 am (UTC)
Like xanthe said, the spoilers for the 200th episode have stated that we will see an alternate reality via one of the characters (most likely Gibbs). So in this altered reality there will be characters that died for real on the show that haven't died in the altered reality.

If done right, the scenario could be really good. But I'm afraid with the way the last few episodes have dropped TIVA anvils around, it will not be done right and not be that good.

I hope that they will prove me wrong....
Jan. 23rd, 2012 03:16 am (UTC)

I had stopped watching last season. Then I watched Baltimore and I went ahead and finished the season since it wasn't much. Then this season started off so so good. I know there were few *blech* moments, but up until the 2012 return it was okay to watch again. Now I'm cringing again and that makes me hurt. :(
Jan. 23rd, 2012 07:50 am (UTC)
Yeah - sigh. I think my problem is how OFTEN the show does this bait and switch thing. It lulls you into a false sense of security and then BAM! - it hits you with this crap. I feel like more fool me for being suckered in so often. It's not a game I intend to let them play with me anymore - not when there's so much other good TV out there.
Jan. 14th, 2012 06:10 pm (UTC)
You have said all the reasons I've been uncomfortable with this season but couldn't quite articulate. Tony and Ziva before Michael, maybe. But after? No way.

And the EJ Barrett thing felt so strange, like the actors really weren't feeling it. The last time I saw Tony happy with a woman was Jeanne. Can't we have that feeling back?

Jan. 23rd, 2012 03:20 am (UTC)
Tony was happy with Jeanne. And I like the type of relationship he had with Paula too. He can't have either of those with Ziva because of what has happened between, especially the Rivkin thing, but even going back to Boxed In when she excluded him. That was what set the bad vibe between their relationship in my mind and it's grown since.
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