There was a post today at 
ncisficfind (here) that mentioned information acquired by 
taylorgibbs from an actual NCIS agent. According to the information, to hold the positions they have at NCIS, Tony and Gibbs would need Master degrees. So, I decided to play with Tony's timeline and see if it would be possible for him to have time for a Masters degree program and what I found seems to make it fit perfectly...
1971, July – Date of Birth
1989, May – Graduated High School (Age 17)
1993, May – Graduated Ohio State (BS in Phys Ed) (Age 21)
1993-1998 – At least attending the Police Academy and worked for Peoria PD
1998, Spring – Joined Philly PD (Age 26)
1999, Fall – Joined Baltimore PD (Age 28)
2001, Fall – Joined NCIS (Age 30)
The above outline is based on information gathered from various episodes and then just counting back time. Below is an outline of content I went from:
In 01x06 High Seas, we learn the locations of Tony's previous jobs with various police departments:
We do not learn how long he actually worked for Peoria PD, just that he did.
Other lengths to note is police academy training and FLETC.
Assuming Tony went to the Illinois State Police Academy since he started out in Peoria and assuming that training length is comparable to today's length for training then Tony had to have the following within the 1993-1998 time frame:
NCIS Special Agents are required the following at FLETC:
Now, according to posts on LJ (Like This One), senior agents are required to have a Masters Degree.
So, could Tony have gotten a Masters Degree during that five-year period?
It is possible. Here's a hypothetical situation:
Working with this hypothetical scenario, here's the full timeline:
1971, July – Date of Birth
1989, May – Graduated High School (Age 17)
1993, May – Graduated Ohio State (BS in Phys Ed) (Age 21)
1995, Summer/Fall – Graduated Somewhere with a Masters Degree (assume Criminology) (Age 24)
1996, Late Winter/Spring – Graduated Illinois State Police Academy (Age 24)
1996, Spring – Joined Peoria PD (Age 24)
1998, Spring – Joined Philly PD (Age 26)
1999, Fall – Joined Baltimore PD (Age 28)
2001, Fall – Joined NCIS (Age 30)
Read the comments below for other great ideas/input on the Masters degree and what could have been going on during that 1993-1998 time period. :-)
ETA: Some looking into the full length of the other course at FLETC that I couldn't find a time length for and part of the application process at / security checks, might bump my timeline just a bit... maybe around 6 months. If so that would make the 2.5 year period more like a 2-year period between college and the police academy.
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ncisficfind (here) that mentioned information acquired by taylorgibbs from an actual NCIS agent. According to the information, to hold the positions they have at NCIS, Tony and Gibbs would need Master degrees. So, I decided to play with Tony's timeline and see if it would be possible for him to have time for a Masters degree program and what I found seems to make it fit perfectly...1971, July – Date of Birth
1989, May – Graduated High School (Age 17)
1993, May – Graduated Ohio State (BS in Phys Ed) (Age 21)
1993-1998 – At least attending the Police Academy and worked for Peoria PD
1998, Spring – Joined Philly PD (Age 26)
1999, Fall – Joined Baltimore PD (Age 28)
2001, Fall – Joined NCIS (Age 30)
The above outline is based on information gathered from various episodes and then just counting back time. Below is an outline of content I went from:
In 01x06 High Seas, we learn the locations of Tony's previous jobs with various police departments:
GIBBS: Yeah, DiNozzo was a Baltimore cop before coming to us.
BURLEY: Is that right? How long?
TONY: Almost two years.
BURLEY: And before that?
TONY: Philly P.D.
KATE: Eighteen months, right?
TONY: There were extenuating circumstances.
KATE: And what was before Philly, I forgot. Pittsburgh?
TONY: Peoria.
KATE: Right.
TONY: And it doesn’t matter how long. All that matters now is that I’m here at NCIS.
KATE: Oh, and you’ve been here for um… refresh my memory…
TONY: Two years.
We do not learn how long he actually worked for Peoria PD, just that he did.
Other lengths to note is police academy training and FLETC.
Assuming Tony went to the Illinois State Police Academy since he started out in Peoria and assuming that training length is comparable to today's length for training then Tony had to have the following within the 1993-1998 time frame:
26 Weeks (6.5 Months) is the current length of training at the Illinois Police Academy. There is also a 14 week (3.5 months) transition before the officer is allowed to patrol alone.
NCIS Special Agents are required the following at FLETC:
CITP (Criminal Investigators Training Program) – 56 Days
SABTP (Special Agent Basic Training Program) – Unknown Length
Now, according to posts on LJ (Like This One), senior agents are required to have a Masters Degree.
So, could Tony have gotten a Masters Degree during that five-year period?
It is possible. Here's a hypothetical situation:
1993, May – Graduated Ohio State w/ BS in Phys Ed
Let's say that he also got a minor in criminology at this time.
1993, Fall – Began graduate program at Indian State University (I picked this because they have a Master's program in criminology and criminal justice)
From what I've seen, it can take 2-3 years to complete a Masters degree (longer depending on the subject).
Let's say Tony does his in 2.5 years. This would put him graduating in the summer/fall of 1995.
Then, if he went straight to the police academy, that would be half a year and put him graduating from the academy in the early part of 1996.
Then, going straight to Peoria from there means:
1996, Spring – Joined Peoria PD
1998, Spring – Joined Philly PD
That would equal two (2) years at Peoria and put him right on his two year path…
Working with this hypothetical scenario, here's the full timeline:
1971, July – Date of Birth
1989, May – Graduated High School (Age 17)
1993, May – Graduated Ohio State (BS in Phys Ed) (Age 21)
1995, Summer/Fall – Graduated Somewhere with a Masters Degree (assume Criminology) (Age 24)
1996, Late Winter/Spring – Graduated Illinois State Police Academy (Age 24)
1996, Spring – Joined Peoria PD (Age 24)
1998, Spring – Joined Philly PD (Age 26)
1999, Fall – Joined Baltimore PD (Age 28)
2001, Fall – Joined NCIS (Age 30)
Read the comments below for other great ideas/input on the Masters degree and what could have been going on during that 1993-1998 time period. :-)
ETA: Some looking into the full length of the other course at FLETC that I couldn't find a time length for and part of the application process at / security checks, might bump my timeline just a bit... maybe around 6 months. If so that would make the 2.5 year period more like a 2-year period between college and the police academy.
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I saved the PDF on my 'puter. :-)
Tony's so much more cut and dry. :-)
Honestly, I doubt the show even considered Tony needing education of any sort. Especially the way Tim is dismissive of him in the episode where Tony explains about his degree in Phy Ed from Sub Rosa:
TONY: You’ve taken computer classes.
MCGEE: Masters in computer forensics, MIT.
TONY: I see.
MCGEE: Well, he’s definitely an eco-terrorist. He’s looking for retribution for the whales. (SFX: RAPID BEEP TONES) Oh, this isn’t good.
TONY: What?
MCGEE: Isopropyl methylphosphonofluoridate. (BEAT) B.S. in Bio-medical Engineering, Johns Hopkins. You?
TONY: Ohio State, Phys Ed. I was a jock. What is that in my language?
I know he didn't need it for Peoria and I figured night classes would be likely too. But, when I started doing the timeline and there's this five year period for him from 1993-1998 that had to include the police academy and his time in Peoria. But if you use all that time for that, then he worked at Peoria longer than 2 years. Although they never said how long he was actually at Peoria, it was kind of implied that he was there for the same 2-year time frame as the other PDs he worked at. That left me with 2.5 years of downtime for Tony...
And idle Tony is the devil's playground... ;-)
On the other hand, there's no telling if he did his Master's right off or did it later. You can get a Master's degree part time. It's only 30 to 36 hours (generally speaking, a few degrees/institutions require a few more hours). Some even have a non-thesis option if the Master's is to be considered a terminal degree. Those usually mean a couple of additional classes. It's actually conceivable that he didn't start it until he got to NCIS (where Gibbs might have been the one to insist on it once he decided Tony was a keeper ;-). He might have even taken it via distance education from someplace like the Naval War College (which would be very cool for so many reasons ;-).
Edited at 2009-07-25 04:11 am (UTC)
There's so many ways to play with how he could get a Masters degree. But I do like the idea of him using his recovering time to do another degree to fill the time while he's down for the count and to put off the student loan deal...
Lots to ponder. :-)
I'm still trying to wrap my head around Gibbs getting a master's - no question that he has the ability or anything, but he'd be a nightmare to have as a student! *shudders*
The idea of him upping a minor (for example) to a bachelor's degree during that time period is nice. Then he could have done the Masters through night school later one. :-)
And Gibbs... I don't even want to go there. He probably just glared them into signed the degree over to him. ;-)
How intriguing! how did Gibbs recruit this young egotistical "hot dog?" had to be on a case involving joint jurisdiction. what did he see in Tony that made him say "be a part of my team?" a story that I'd love to hear
There's two definite ones at FLETC. One is 56 days and the other one I couldn't find a time frame on yet.
(The real one, not the show. :-)
How long does the special agent application process take?
The hiring process can take six to nine months.
Are special agents required to attend formalized training?
Yes. All new hires who are not currently GS/GL-1811 special agents must attend the Criminal Investigators Training Program (CITP) at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC), Glynco, GA. The NCIS specific Special Agent Basic Training Program (SABTP) will immediately follow the CITP training in Glynco. All special agents newly appointed to NCIS are required to attend the SABTP. The training provides instruction on the NCIS report writing system, manuals, and field training exercises. Additional training in computer forensics, foreign counterintelligence, foreign language, economic crimes, interview and interrogation, hostage negotiation, forensics and/or management are available throughout the Agent's career.
(Still looking for the length of SABTP.)
Oh, and here's a bit about how Tony can afford to indulge his expensive tastes:
Are NCIS special agents entitled to the Law Enforcement Availability Pay (LEAP)?
Yes. NCIS special agents are eligible for LEAP, which is a type of premium pay for criminal investigators who are required to work, or be available to work substantial amounts of unscheduled overtime based on the needs of the agency. Availability pay is fixed at 25% of a special agent's rate of basic pay.
And yeah... that would help his expenses. :-)
There's definitely a time gap of at least 2 years there if you do Peoria at 2 years. So there's quite a bit of idea floating around as to what he could have done for those 2 years now.
:-)
It's funny how much logic is missing tv shows most of the time. *g*
(I've always assumed his "I smiled" was a sarcastic nod to Kate's assumptions about his image/abilities, i.e., he had to have charmed his way in, because how else would an obvious goof like Tony be able to quality for such a super secret elite job? Like many, I really doubt Kate's judgment of her profiling abilities.)
Anyway, out of curiosity, I would like to know the canon reference.
Thanks.
:-D
TONY: A three hundred and seventy gallon external fuel tank off an F-Fourteen Tomcat. A few were converted into camera or cargo pods. This one’s a cargo pod.
KATE: I’m impressed.
TONY: I didn’t become an NCIS agent yesterday, Kate. As a matter of fact, tomorrow is…
GIBBS: …. it’ll have been two years.
TONY: That’s kind of touching, Gibbs, remembering the day you hired me.
GIBBS: Yeah, well it seemed like a good idea at the time. Duck is it okay if I touch?
What that doesn't tell us is if Gibbs 'recruited' him to NCIS kind of like he did with Kate or if Tony was a new agent fresh from FLETC and Gibbs just picked him out of a bunch.
Beyond that and the "I smiled," comment to Kate there's only one other time he says why he joined NCIS and that was in this past season while he talked with the new probie about to go to FLETC. And I don't have the ep or a script to copy from but it was something along the lines of joining for the women and the guns.
It's likely one those things we will never know for sure and will always be fodder for fanfic. :-)