Kayla Shay (kaylashay) wrote,
Kayla Shay

Be Careful What You Say... (NCIS Fandom Epic Fail)

So, a mod post on spoilersforncis for a 'spoiler' for NCIS has epic fail. At the end of the post regarding something about TIVA (Tony/Ziva) and a spoiler, the mod said:

Oh, and if you don't like Tony/Ziva, do not comment on this post, we get it, you hate it, we're tired of the same argument.

Had that not been said, or if just a general "be courteous to the Tony/Ziva shippers when commenting" remark had been made, I never would have commented on the post. But with what was said above, I felt a need to comment, because that just irked the heck out me.

Note, the spoilers on this comm are not behind a cut, so you will see the spoilers if you go to the comm. My comment below does not contain any spoilers.

What I Commented With...

I'm going to say my bit before I de-watch this comm and find my spoiler fix elsewhere...

I'm not against Tony/Ziva. I'm against relationships between the main characters in general. If the world suddenly changed overnight and seeing male/male intimate relationships on screen was all the rage, I would not want to watch Gibbs/DiNozzo, DiNozzo/McGee or any other combination of relationships I like to read in fanfic.

I have a thing for Tony/Abby. I wouldn't want to see it onscreen all the time. The way the show handles the McGee/Abby kind-of relationship works for me. Abby isn't on the field team for one. When they were dating, it was not onscreen, we just got snippets from both parties.

Gibbs has a good rule in Rule #12, relationships between agents never work out. Just change agents to main characters in a TV series that is not based on intimate/sexual relationships and you have my opinion on any type of relationships on shows like NCIS. I watch the show for the case solving and the team interaction, let me repeat that, the TEAM interaction (and the dead petty officers).

Relationships on this show that worked (even if I didn't particularly like some of them) were Gibbs/Hollis, Tony/Jeanne, McGee/Abby, Jimmy/Lee and even Ducky/The Chick from SGA and even (in certain aspects because the France flashbacks did get a little trying)... Gibbs/Jenny.

In all those relationships, the "relationship" was not overpowering on the show, detracting from the dead petty officers. Plus, the main characters on the field team were with non-field team people.

Now... I love sexual tension on a show. Will they or won't they. Once they have, well, it's all down hill from there. There's no tension and the tension of watching goes away and leaves me feeling kind of blah. That's why, even though I don't slash predominately in other fandoms, I like the Gibbs/DiNozzo byplay. I can see them in a family type scenario (father/son, brothers), as strong friends / co-workers and as actual or potential lovers from the way their characters interact. They give me just enough in some place and leave me wanting in others and THAT keeps me hooked on them interacting in any given manner.

If Gibbs actually sits Tony down on the show and tells his life story and then hugs the man, I think I would be just as turned off of them as I am of Tony/Ziva. Or, if Hollis had been a rogue CID agent and Tony shot her trying to save himself and Gibbs pummeled an injured Tony to the ground for it... I'd be the first to sign Gibbs' death certificate. It doesn't matter who was in the scenario, it just doesn't work to build a relationship that will function and be something great to watch on screen.

All that said, I think TIVA fans should be wary of "spoilers" like this. It's hype. It's made to get people so hyped up they tune in right away to see what they want to see. He's playing right into your emotions, knowing there are people out there that want to see Tony and Ziva in bed together without being undercover. Don't take what he said literally, because I don't think it will happen the way you think it will happen.

Now that I've said my piece on relationships in general on NCIS, I plan to de-watch this comm. Censorship of comments in a community that is for all NCIS fans is not cool. A general rule about being courteous to people who have different tastes from your own is one thing, but saying "You don't like Tony/Ziva, do not comment on this post," is completely poor modmanship for a general comm.

You're doing to non-Tony/Ziva fans what you don't want done to yourself and others who like it. You basically told us that you don't like our opinions and that is just hypocritical.

Brought to you by an NCIS fan who doesn't like Tony/Ziva onscreen, but also doesn't like any relationships between the main characters onscreen. Save the relationships for the fanfic and give us our dead petty officers back.

Now, I never really get that ranty. I usually just keep quiet with my opinion or share my opinion with like minded people. It's rare for me to really go off in regards to something, so this really was not the proper way for a mod to put that request.

I de-watched the comm and will get my NCIS spoiler fix elsewhere.

ETA the 2nd: Apparently the original post has been deleted and the mod left the comm. Posts like that shouldn't be swept away. I can see turning off commenting to keep it from escalating more, but leave the original post and all its comments in tack. It's called owning up to what you said/started. Just last week, I owned up to a mistake at work that I didn't make but I was the one responsible for who did the work and making sure the work was done correctly. I sent an email to my boss with the outline of what happened and who did what and took responsibility for my error in not catching an error someone else made. I didn't sweep it under the rug or try to blame the person who did the work incorrectly.

::sigh:: I will be posting a set of icons tonight! SQUEE! And possibly some crack!fic to go with the icon. :-)

ETA: A new icon has been inspired. It's up for grabs, just credit me. :-)

Tags: fandom: ncis, life: rant
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